Q on Arabic Grammer

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A question on Possessive Case مضاف و مضاف اليه:


Say you have got ام عبد الله = Umm 'Abdillaah (Just an example)

However, it is written as 'Umm 'Abdullaah

Is there a rule in Arabic grammar which excludes names like these from the main 'rule'?

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A question on Possessive Case مضاف و مضاف اليه:


Say you have got ام عبد الله = Umm 'Abdillaah (Just an example)

However, it is written as 'Umm 'Abdullaah

Is there a rule in Arabic grammar which excludes names like these from the main 'rule'?

The question is unclear to me - what do you mean by 'names like these'.

and what do you mean by written as 'Umm Abdullaah' - in English or Arabic?

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The question is unclear to me - what do you mean by 'names like these'.

I hope this makes sense :o

Ok when you pronounce ام عبد الله is it:

1) Umm 'Abdillaah

2) Umm 'Abdullaah

Gramatically it is 1), however, you hear most people pronounce it as 2)

Is there a ruling in the arabic grammer which says that is fine to prononuce/say it as 2)

and what do you mean by written as 'Umm Abdullaah' - in English or Arabic?
Arabic

'names like these'.

Where there are two Possesive cases joint.

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I hope this makes sense :o

Ok when you pronounce ام عبد الله is it:

1) Umm 'Abdillaah

2) Umm 'Abdullaah

Gramatically it is 1), however, you hear most people pronounce it as 2)

Is there a ruling in the arabic grammer which says that is fine to prononuce/say it as 2)

Not that I know of, no. But it represents the case ending ('raab) of the word which people do not pronounce when speaking anyway - they usually put a sukoon on the end of every word to be on the safe side (you will notice this with some Arab news broadcasters too) - tajzim taslam as they say.

So Arabs in general pronounce the name as 'Abdallah, because they are essentially saying 'Abd [with a sukoon on the end] plus Allaah. It works in their favour when they are calling the person [because it should be 'Abdallah anyway]. :)


Where there are two Possesive cases joint.

There is generally no case in which the mudaaf ilayhi has a dammah instead of a kasrah, although it may sometimes have a fathah when it is mamnoo' min al-sarf.

I hope that is clear.
Wallaahu a3lam.

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yes I get it, JazaakAllaahu khairan

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